Showing posts with label relationships. Show all posts
Showing posts with label relationships. Show all posts

Thursday, March 7, 2013

Since I have transitioned out of the norm of church attendance, and also been considering some different ways of considering my relationship with God, I have encountered many people with far different beliefs than mine.  Some consider themselves atheists, some consider themselves agnostic and others hold some variation of Christian belief. 



In that process many of them are talking about the process they are in,  and the questions they have and also how realizing what they used to believe so dogmatically they are now not so certain about.

This can create quite a stir among others both for them selves and for the "weak" ones out there.  (Whoever they are.)  


In considering the reaction to this processing of beliefs, it seems to me that much of the reaction on the part of non-questioning people is some sort of fear or something that is tapped into within them when a friend goes through a passage of questioning.  Sometimes there is such an energy to the reaction I end up thinking there must be something being "hooked" inside the person with the concern.  It's perhaps stirring up their own latent questions or concerns.  
And then from that unstable base of action they take the iron sharpening iron concept and slice away doing the damage that abstract concept often does because it is out of the context of an authentic, loving, and trust based knowledgeable relationship.

People at peace seldom get all worked up over other people's processes.


 
I don't think God gets all that hyper about it. He is not limited and in a hurry. My belief is that he just keeps loving. Inexorable. Tenderly.  He is very secure I believe about his ability to care well for his child.  


I felt some sense of panic when my kids and then many of my friends questioned all sorts of things. I actually had to entrust them to who I really believed God to be and be with them in the process.  Prior to that I was praying frantically for them and felt guilt about perhaps not praying enough for them to in effect I guess "cause" God to take notice and deal with what I wanted done.  
Oh yeah, and hopefully deal with whatever insecurities their process brought up in me.



Regarding how to effectively love and affirm someone going through that process, it's remarkable how much openness and resulting possible transformation can occur with a little bit of investment in relationship. It really is simple. For some strange reason perhaps those inner insecurities and fears,  often people want to ignore or bypass relationship and try to make a change in the transitioning person right away.


 I will say that to converse with someone with different or perhaps even stronger held views than mine is intimidating or can be, so I can understand the drop in, drop the bomb, get out of town mentality rather than to build a relationship where intimacy and trust would be born. 
I am noticing that in my own life nowadays so I'm understanding of that point of view.

As I did with my kids, I am learning to lovingly and trustingly be with the person as they and God deal with whatever is going on, being sensitive to some part of that process I may be invited into.


 Trust me, people going through that process do value and appreciate someone with them in the journey.  

Monday, March 4, 2013

"The mark of Christianity is the paradox, the absolute paradox. As soon as a so called speculative cancels the paradox and makes this qualification into an element, all the spheres are confused."
~Søren Kierkegaard

Personally have come from a background of dependence on knowing and being secure in that knowledge, I now much more appreciate not knowing.

And truly when exploring what it is to be in relationship with the creator of the Cosmos would mystery and a freedom to explore that mystery be the best and more rich place to find even more of an expression of who God is?

And if God's primary purpose is to be relational what is more mysterious than a relationship?  I could try to be funny and talk about understanding the mind of a woman but truly we each are mysterious within us and thus we are mysterious in how we show up in life.  


That is why NOTHING is gained by holding a person in a box, thus much less holding God in a box.

Love is not love unless it is an openness within the mind for the other; God or my wife, or my friend or the Democrat or the Republican or whomever.

Fear creates fences, love sees no fences.  

Saturday, March 2, 2013

Abstract Vs. Relational

"It is, I grant you, a crass analogy; but crass analogies are the safest. Everybody knows that God is not three old men throwing olives at each other. Not everyone, I'm afraid, is equally clear that God is not a cosmic force or a principle of being or any other dish of celestial blancmange we might choose to call him. Accordingly, I give you the central truth that creation is the result of a trinitarian bash, and leave the details of the analogy to sort themselves out as best they can."

~Robert Farrar Capon

Source: The Romance of the Word: One Man's Love Affair With Theology : Three Books : An Offering of Uncles/the Third Peacock/Hunting the Divine Fox, Pages: 176



"Abstract principles and philosophies are much cleaner and more sterile and manageable than a personal God with personality, will and relational being. When we can reduce our theology to these abstract principles we can create a nice tidy little theology that leaves us feeling safe and in control of things. 


God becomes the giant vending machine in the sky into which we input the right currency, (our prayers, our efforts and our tithes for example) and then we can predictably wait on God to give us what we've paid for according to the divine system and transactional rules we've established.

Living in relationship with a Trinitarian God who embodies love and relationship and moving beyond the systems of what seems to me to be essentially just a form of Christianized Deism, is a very messy thing as opposed to the "safety" and "security" that we would rather find in an impersonal system that leaves us with predictable outcomes and overall control of everything in our lives."

Bart Breen https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trinitarianism/274624109277834?fref=ts